The Ethiopian Orthodox have an 81-book Bible—54 OT, 27 NT.
The Greek and Russian Orthodox have a 79-book Bible—52 OT, 27 NT.
The Roman Catholics have a 73-book Bible—46 OT, 27 NT.
The Protestants have a 66-book Bible—39 OT, 27 NT.
Their New Testaments are exactly identical. So who is correct regarding the Old Testament?
Alex Jurado of the YouTube channel @VoiceOfReason_ is absolutely 100% wrong when he claims, "The Catholic Church is the Church [Jesus] founded." If Alex bothered to read the writings of the Christians of the first 300 years, he would notice that much of Roman Catholic beliefs, practices, and traditions were condemned by them. The Catholic church did not exist until it evolved during the 4th century under Emperor Constantine. It then divided into two in the 11th century because of the further superstitions and idolatries that Rome kept adopting from pagan religions and trying to "Christianize."
Alex Jurado is also absolutely 100% wrong when he says, "How come your canon cannot be found anywhere in the first 1500 years? Because the 66 book canon of Scripture that Protestants use today is not found anywhere. ... In the early church there was almost no dispute over the Old Testament, which is what Catholics and Protestants dispute now. But in the early church there was a lot of dispute over the New Testament." Alex is historically ignorant and illiterate as well as Scripturally ignorant and illiterate. Let us look at the actual facts that expose Alex's ignorance of reality and truth.
Good Roman Catholic scholarship concedes to the truth:
"In the Latin Church, all through the Middle Ages we find evidence of hesitation about the character of the deuterocanonicals. There is a current friendly to them, another one distinctly unfavourable to their authority and sacredness, while wavering between the two are a number of writers whose veneration for these books is tempered by some perplexity as to their exact standing, and among those we not St. Thomas Aquinas. Few are found to unequivocally acknowledge their canonicity." —Catholic Encyclopedia
"An official, definitive list of inspired writings did not exist in the Catholic Church until the Council of Trent." —Yves Congar, Tradition and Traditions (New York: Macmillan, 1966), 38.
The unequivocal and irrefutable fact is, the Roman Catholic canon of Scripture was not settled or established until the Council of Trent, held between 1545 and 1563 in Trent (now in northern Italy), while the Protestant canon of Scripture has been established for 2,000 years! Observe:
OLD TESTAMENT CANON
"Since you have often, in your seal for the word, expressed a wish to have extracts made from the Law and the Prophets concerning the Saviour and concerning our entire faith, and has also desired to have an accurate statement of the ancient book, as regards their number and their order, I have endeavoured to perform the task. ... I learned accurately the books of the Old Testament, and send them to you as written below. Their names are as follows: Of Moses, five books: Genesis, Exodus, Numbers, Leviticus, Deuteronomy; Jesus Nave, Judges, Ruth; of Kings, four books; of Chronicles, two; the Psalms of David, the Proverbs of Solomon, Wisdom also, Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs, Job; of Prophets, Isaiah, Jeremiah; of the twelve prophets, one book; Daniel, Ezekiel, Esdras." —Mileto of Sardis, as presented by Eusebius in Ecclesiastical History 4.26.13
"When expounding the first Psalm, he gives a catalogue of the sacred Scriptures of the Old Testament as follows: 'It should be stated that the canonical books, as the Hebrews have handed them down, are twenty-two; corresponding with the number of their letters.'" —Origen, as presented by Eusebius in Ecclesiastical History 6.25.1"The first of these books is called Bresith, to which we give the name Genesis...
The second class is composed of the Prophets, and they begin with Jesus the son of Nave, who among them is called Joshua the son of Nun....
To the third class belong the Hagiographa, of which the first book begins with Job....
And so there are also twenty-two books of the Old Testament; that is five of Moses, eight of the prophets, nine of the Hagiographa, though some include Ruth and Kinoth (Lamentations) amongst the Hagiographa.
This preface to the Scriptures may serve as a "helmeted" introduction to all the books which we turn from Hebrew into Latin, so that we may be assured that what is not found in our list must be placed amongst the Apocryphal writings. Wisdom, therefore, which generally bears the name of Solomon, and the book of Jesus, the Son of Sirach, and Judith, and Tobias, and the Shepherd are not in the canon. The first book of Maccabees I have found to be Hebrew, the second is Greek, as can be proved from the very style. Seeing that all this is so, I beseech you, my reader, not to think that my labours are in any sense intended to disparage the old translators." —Jerome, Prologue Galeatus"And some of the ancient scribes affirm this one is of Philo Judaeus. Therefore, just as the Church also reads the books of Judith, Tobias, and the Maccabees, but does not receive them among the canonical Scriptures, so also one may read these two scrolls for the strengthening of the people, (but) not for the confirming of the authority of ecclesiastical dogmas.." —Jerome, Prologue to the Books of Solomon
Your historically ignorant and illiterate Catholics (and other believers) like to try and claim that Jerome submitted to "the judgment of the churches." What does this mean and where does this come from? Well, let us take a look. Observe:
"It is true, I said that the Septuagint version was in this book very different from the original, and that it was condemned by the right judgment of the churches of Christ; but the fault was not mine who only stated the fact, but that of those who read the version. We have four versions to choose from: those of Quila, Symmachus, the Seventy, and Theodotion. The churches choose to read Daniel in the version of Theodotion. What sin have I committed in following the judgment of the churches? But when I repeat what the Jews say against the Story of Susanna and the Hymn of the Three Children, and the fables of Bel and the Dragon, which are not contained in the Hebrew Bible, the man who makes this a charge against me proves himself to be a fool and a slanderer; for I explained not what I thought but what they commonly say against us. I did not reply to their opinion in the Preface, because i was studying brevity, and feared that I should seem to be writing not a Preface but a book." —Jerome, Against Rufinus, 2.33
Jerome was referencing two different Greek translations of the book of Daniel. Both contained additions that were not in the original Hebrew. He is asking the question, 'Which version is the better of the two?' Since the churches preferred the Theodotion version, he submitted to their judgment on the matter. This has nothing to do with a Catholic versus Protestant canon of Scripture! Only an ignorant and illiterate fool would make such assertions. The Theodotion version had a greater fidelity to the Hebrew, which is why the title of Jerome's next section in this letter is titled, 'A vindication of the importance of the Hebrew Text of Scripture.'
"The Hebrew Scriptures are used by apostolic men; they are used, as is evident, by the apostles and evangelists. Our Lord and Saviour himself whenever he refers to the Scriptures, takes his quotations from the Hebrew." —Jerome, Against Rufinus, 2.34
"The churches of the Lord Saviour do not read the Prophet Daniel according to the Seventy interpreters, using (instead) the edition of Theodotion, and I don't know why this happened. For whether because the language is Chaldean and differs in certain properties from our speech, (or) the Seventy interpreters were not willing to keep the same lines in the translation, or the book was edited under their name by some unknown other who did not sufficiently know the Chaldean language, or not knowing anything else which was the cause, I can affirm this one thing, that it often differs from the truth and with proper judgment is repudiated." —Jerome, Prologue to Daniel
After the 4th century councils, here is a letter that demonstrates the Jerome never changed his opinion on the matter of canonical Scripture.
"Let her treasures be not silks or gems but manuscripts of the holy Scriptures; and in these let her think less of gilding, and Babylonian parchment, and arabesque patterns, than of correctness and accurate punctuation. Let her begin by learning the psalter, and then let her gather rules of life out of the proverbs of Solomon. From the Preacher let her gain the habit of despising the world and its vanities. Let her follow the example set in Job of virtue and of patience. Then let her pass on to the Gospels, never to be laid aside when once they have been taken in hand. Let her also drink in with a willing heart the Acts of the Apostles and the Epistles. As soon as she has enriched the storehouse of her mind with these treasures, let her commit to memory the prophets, the heptateuch [the first 7 books of the Hebrew Bible], the books of Kings and of Chronicles, the rolls also of Ezra and Esther. When she has done all these she may safely read the Song of Songs, but not before: for, were she to read it at the beginning, she would fail to perceive that, though it is written in fleshly words, it is a marriage song of a spiritual bridal. And not understanding this she would suffer hurt from it. Let her avoid all apocryphal writings, and if she is led to read such not by the truth of doctrines which they contain but out of respect for the miracles contained in them; let her understand that they are not really written by those to whom they are ascribed, that many faulty elements have been introduced into them, and that it requires infinite discretion to look for gold in the midst of dirt." —Jerome, Letter 107.12
An earlier letter, which is not as comprehensive as this one, also lists books considered canon:
"Genesis, we shall be told, needs no explanation; its topics are too simple - the birth of the world, the origin of the human race, the division of the earth, the confusion of tongues, and the descent of the Hebrews into Egypt! Exodus, no doubt, is equally plain...." —Jerome, Letter 53.8
Again, your historically ignorant and illiterate Catholics (and other believers) will attempt to claim that in his earlier life Jerome held to the apocrypha and then narrowed his view, but this is completely false. Nobody is attempting to argue that he had a narrower view and then later in life widened it to include the apocrypha.
"The available evidence indicates that Jerome consistently excluded the deuterocanonical books from the Christian canon of Scripture. There seems, then, to be no reason to think that Jerome ever adhered to an OT canon different from the one he endorsed in the Prol. Gal. Moreover, there are reasons to think that Jerome came to approve the narrower canon very early in his career. Jerome's theory regard the deuterocanonicals did not substantially develop. All of our evidence indicates that he always considered them outside the canon." —Edmon L. Gallagher, "The Old Testament 'Apocrypha' in Jerome's Canonical Theory," Journal of Early Christian Studies, 20.2, 214, 222, 233
Jerome was considered authoritative on this matter for 1,100 years until the Council of Trent. Thomas de Vio acknowledged that Jerome considered Judith, Tobit, the books of the Maccabees, the book of Wisdom and Ecclesiasticus, etc., to be outside the canonical books and among the apocrypha. This opinion was uncontested for 1,100 years. All the way up to the Council of Trent, and even beyond by good Catholic scholars, the apocryphal books were contested. They were never accepted as canonical books. Observe:
"Of the Old Testament, therefore, first of all there have been handed down five books of Moses: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy; then Joshua the son of Nun; the book of Judges together with Ruth; then four books of Kings, which the Hebrews reckon two; Paralipomenon, which is called the book of Days [Chronicles], and two books of Ezra, which the Hebrews reckon one, and Esther; of the Prophets, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel; moreover of the Twelve [minor] Prophets, one book; Job also and the Psalms of David, each one book. Solomon gave three books to the churches, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and Song of Songs. These comprise the books of the Old Testament." —Rufinus, Exposition of the Creed 37
"But it should also be known that there are other books which are called not 'canonical but 'ecclesiastical' by the ancients: that is, the Wisdom attributed to Solomon, and another wisdom attributed to the son of Sirach, which the Latins called by the title Ecclesiasticus, designating not the author of the book but its character. To the same class belong the book of Tobit and the book of Judith, and the books of Maccabees." —Rufinus, Exposition of the Creed 38
"The reason for reckoning twenty-two books of the Old Testament is that this corresponds with the number of the [Hebrew] letters. They are counted thus according to old tradition: that books of Moses are five, Joshua son of Nun the sixth, Judges and Ruth the seventh, first and second Kings the eighth, third and fourth [Kings] the ninth, the two of Chronicles makes ten, the words of the days of Esra the eleventh, the book of Psalms twelfth, of Solomon the Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and Song of Songs are thirteenth, fourteenth, and fifteenth, the Twelve Prophets sixteenth, ten Isaiah and Jeremiah (with Lamentations and the Epistle) and Daniel and Ezekiel and Job and Esther complete the number of books at twenty-two. To this some add Tobit and Judith to make twenty-four books, according to the number of the Greek letters, which is the language used among Hebrews and Greeks gathered in Rome." —Hilary, Expositions of the Psalms 15
Yet again, your historically ignorant and illiterate Catholics (and other believers) will reference where a so-called "church father" quotes from deuterocanonical books and refers to them as "Scripture," and then they will strut around as if they have won the argument. If these men were saying that these works were canonical Scripture by their quoting it, then why did they deliberately exclude them from their lists of canonical books? Jerome was very clear on this: "Therefore, just as the Church also reads the books of Judith, Tobias, and the Maccabees, but does not receive them among the canonical Scriptures..."
"Of (the divine Scripture) read the two and twenty books, but have nothing to do with the apocryphal writings. Study earnestly these only which we read openly in the Church. Far wiser and more pious than yourself were the Apostles, and the bishops of old time, the presidents of the Church who handed down these books. Being therefore a child of the Church, trench thou not upon its statutes. And of the Old Testament, as we have said, study the two and twenty books, which, if you are desirous of learning, strive to remember by name, as I recite them.
For of the Law the books of Moses are the first five, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy. And next, Joshua the son of Nave, and the book of Judges, including Ruth, counted as seventh. And of the other historical books, the first and second books of the Kings are among the Hebrews one books; also the third and fourth one book. And in like manner, the first and second of Chronicles are with them one book; and the first and second of Esdras are counted one. Esther is the twelfth book; and these are the Historical writings. But those which are written in verses are five, Job, and the book of Psalms, and Proverbs, and Ecclesiastes, and the Song of Songs, which is the seventeenth book. And after these come the five Prophetic books: of the Twelve Prophets one book, of Isaiah one, of Jeremiah one, including Baruch and Lamentations and the Epistle; then Ezekiel, and the Book of Daniel, the twenty-second of the Old Testament." —Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures 4.35"There are, then, of the Old Testament, twenty-two books in number; for, as I have heard, it is handed down that this is the number of the letters among the Hebrews; their respective order and names being as follows. The first is Genesis, then Exodus, next Leviticus, after that Numbers, and then Deuteronomy. Following these there is Joshua the son of Nun, then Judges, then Ruth. And again, after these four books of Kings, the first and second being reckoned as one book, and so likewise the third and fourth as one book. And again, the first and second of the Chronicles are reckoned as one book. Again Ezra, the first and second are similarly one book. After these there is the book of Psalms, then the Proverbs, next Ecclesiastes, and the Song of Songs. Job follows, then the Prophets, the Twelve [minor prophets] being reckoned as one book. Then Isaiah, one book, then Jeremiah with Baruch, Lamentations and the Epistle, one book; afterwards Ezekiel and Daniel, each one book. Thus far constitutes the Old Testament." —Athanasius, Thirty-Ninth Festal Epistle, 4
"There are other books besides these, indeed not received as canonical but having been appointed by our fathers to be read to those just approaching and wishing to be instructed in the word of godliness: Wisdom of Solomon, Wisdom of Sirach, Esther, Judith, Tobit, and that which is called the Teaching of the Apostles, and the Shepherd. But the former, my brethren, are included in the Canon, the latter being merely read; nor is there any place a mention of secret writings. But such are the invention of heretics, who indeed write them whenever they wish, bestowing upon them their approval, and assigning them a date, that so, using them as if they were ancient writings, they find a means by which to lead astray the simple-minded." —Athanasius, Thirty-Ninth Festal Epistle, 7
"Observe, further, that there are two and twenty books of the Old Testament, one for each letter of the Hebrew tongue. For there are twenty-two letters of which five are double, and so they come to be twenty-seven. For the letters Caph, Mere, Nun, Pe, Sade are double. And thus the number of the books in this way is twenty-two, but is found to be twenty-seven because of the double character of five. For Ruth is joined on to Judges, and the Hebrews count them one book: the first and second books of Kings are counted one: and so are the third and fourth books of Kings: and also the first and second of Paraleipomena: and the first and Second of Esdra. In this way, then, the books are collected together in four Pentateuchs and two others remain over, to form thus the canonical books. Five of them are of the Law, viz. Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy. This which is the code of Law, constitutes the first Pentateuch..." —John of Damascus, Exposition of the Orthodox Faith 4.12
NEW TESTAMENT CANON
The first surviving list of canonical texts dates to approximately 170AD in what is now known as the “Muratorian Fragment”, a partial copy of an ancient text discovered in the Ambrosian Library in Milan in the 18th century. This document affirmed and acknowledged Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon, Jude, 1 John, 2 John and Revelation as reliable, apostolic Scripture. The author of the Muratorian Fragment was also careful to warn his readers about Paul’s alleged letters to the Laodiceans and Alexandrians, and a document known as the “Apocalypse of Peter” (identifying these as forgeries). Even this early in history, in regions spanning Europe and the Mediterranean, Christians already possessed and guarded the New Testament texts:
IN FRANCE: Irenaeus (185AD) Affirmed as Many as 24 New Testament Books
Irenaeus grew up in Smyrna while Polycarp (the disciple of the apostle John) was the Bishop there. Irenaeus eventually became the Bishop of Lugdunum in Gaul (now called Lyons) and wrote an expansive volume called “Against Heresies” in 185AD. Throughout the many chapters of this text, he quoted the New Testament (over one thousand times) to make his case against a variety of heresies appearing on the scene. In quoting the New Testament documents, he referred to at least twenty-one of the books we presently possess in our Bible (including Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, 1 Peter, 1 John, 2 John and Revelation). But, in addition to this, scholars believe Irenaeus alluded to a number of additional texts, including Hebrews, James and perhaps even 2 Peter. Irenaeus is silent with regard to Philemon, 3 John and Jude, although this does not necessarily mean he was unaware of the books or rejected them as inspired. Irenaeus also referred to the Shepherd of Hermas and the Apocalypse of John, but no other 2nd Century book related to Jesus was recognized as authentic.IN ITALY: Hippolytus (220AD) Affirmed as Many as 24 New Testament Books
Hippolytus was born in Rome and became a disciple of Irenaeus. He was a prolific writer, and one of his most important works was a text known as “Refutation of All Heresies”. Over the course of his many writings, Hippolytus acknowledged and affirmed most of the New Testament documents (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon, 1 Peter, 1 John, 2 John and Revelation). It also appears, however, he was aware of 2 Peter and James, but he does not list them openly. In addition, Hippolytus quotes from Hebrews directly (and also the Shepherd of Hermas), but not as though they are Scripture.IN EGYPT: Origen (225AD) Affirmed as Many as 27 New Testament Books
Origen of Alexandria was a brilliant Church leader who travelled broadly and was fully aware of the catalogue of differing views related to Jesus. He was also fully aware of the teachings within the Church from region to region. Perhaps for this reason, Origen’s use and affirmation of the eyewitness books and letters is significant. Even though late emerging texts were known to Origen, his many letters and writings fail to affirm heretical non-canonical works. Instead, Origen categorized the existing texts of the ancient world into three classes: the universally accepted eyewitness writings of the apostles, those books whose apostolic authorship was doubted, and those books clearly not the product of the original eyewitnesses. He acknowledged Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon, 1 Peter, 1 John, and Revelation as Scripture. He also acknowledged believers within the church had their doubts about Hebrews, 2 Peter, 2 John, 3 John, James, Jude, Barnabas, the Shepherd of Hermas, the Didache, and the Gospel of the Hebrews (a version of the Gospel of Matthew). While Origen believed the books in this second group were also reliable Scripture, he recognized and tolerated other views.IN PALESTINE: Eusebius (324AD) Affirmed 26 New Testament Books
Eusebius was the Bishop of Cæsarea. Like Origen, Eusebius acknowledged a list of trustworthy apostolic writings, and he also divided his list into three categories. Eusebius’ first group included the universally accepted eyewitness accounts and letters of the apostles (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon, 1 Peter, 1 John and Revelation). His second group included contested books. He divided the contested texts into a superior and inferior group. The superior group included James, Jude, 2 Peter, 2 and 3 John. Eusebius maintained that these books should be considered Scripture, but he conceded not everyone agreed on this issue. His second group of contested books included the Epistle of Barnabas, the Didache, the Gospel of the Hebrews, the Acts of Paul, the Shepherd of Hermas and the Apocalypse of Peter. All other ancient texts related to Jesus were placed in the third category which Eusebius considered fraudulent.
Writings like the Epistle of Barnabas, the Didache, and the Shepherd of Hermas were passed among the congregations, and even quoted from, but they were never listed as canonical in any list.
CONCLUSION
A lot of ignorant and unlearned individuals will claim that Protestants "removed" books from the Bible. This extends all the way into the absurd, attempting to include things like the Gnostic writings (e.g., The Gospel of Thomas, The Gospel of Judas). Neither the apocryphal books, the deuterocanonical books, nor the Gnostic books were ever considered as canonical Scripture. They have always been largely contested and repudiated by the majority.
Yes, the 66-book Bible may be new, but all 66 books of the Protestant canon of Scripture were affirmed to be canonical. Why do I say "the 66-book Bible may be new"? Have you not been paying attention? First and second Kings (now known as First and Second Samuel) were one book. Third and Fourth Kings (now known as First and Second Kings) were one book. First and Second Chronicles were one book. Ezra and Nehemiah were one book. Jeremiah and Lamentations were one book. Even Luke and Acts are believed to have been one book at one point. So if there were originally 22 books in the Hebrew Bible (corresponding to their alphabet), and 26 in the New Testament, that makes for a 48-book Bible.
Arguing over the number of books in the Bible only exposes the number of fools out there who are historically and Scripturally ignorant. If you are a Roman Catholic or some sort of Orthodox and you are arguing for a 73-to-81-book Bible, you are absolutely wrong because the apocryphal writings have always been contested and repudiated as canonical Scripture; you have no support for your canonicity of Scripture. If you are a Protestant and you are arguing for a 66-book Bible, you are also wrong. The only point at which you are correct is with regard to the titles of the separated books. But the reckoning of an actual number of books from the early Christians would result in a 48-book Bible. A 66-book Bible never existed until they split the original books because of their size. In Hebrew, First and Second Samuel used to fit on a single scroll. In translation, its size practically doubled. That is how we end up with First and Second Samuel.
If any believers are going to attempt to argue this subject matter, make sure you know what you are talking about by doing your homework. Do not rely on the ignorance of others and the ignorant claims they have made. There is far too much of that in the Lord's Congregation and in the world. Some so-called "expert" or "authority" says something and people automatically start regurgitating it as if it is the least bit true. Then you have millions of people believing something that is absolutely false. I could list off two dozen examples just off the top of my head, let alone all the others that exist.
None of the books claimed to be "removed" from the Bible were ever removed from the Bible because they had never occupied such a position. Such books have always been contested and repudiated throughout Christian history. These are the facts that Alex Jurado needs to come to terms with.